Her circumstances were different and not ideal for most, but that was just her current state. FLOTHE: Two hundred dollars is a lot of money Flothe said. CINDY PAWLCYN Award-winning chef, cookbook author and founder of a dozen restaurants, Cindy Pawlcyn reveals a few of her secrets to starting a successful bus. We all have the same needs. You know, like mine is. Were the lights on or off? CINDY: Like a new Seville. Hansen was convicted in 1984 after confessing to killing 17 women, mostly dancers and prostitutes, during a 12-year span in the 1970s and 80s. And, getting to that point, "it's so powerful," she says. Too often, Robert Hansen was believed instead of the women, many of them dancers or prostitutes, who testified against him. In 1984 this serial was sentenced to 461 years, a ridiculous amount of years to ensure that he would never be released again. FLOTHE: Um hmm. And, um, he took me to his house on Old Harbor Road in Muldoon. On his terms. And that he had to work and he couldnt do it then. That was why [Hansen] kept telling me to lay down. It was smooth like Figure 20s handle, but the gun was shaped like Figure 21. View the profiles of professionals named "Cindy Paulson" on LinkedIn. She left the ADN in October 2018. Robert Hansens first encounter with Cindy Paulson seemed inauspicious. It was smooth. FLOTHE: Ah. Scott did an amazing job at keeping a very steady uproar and pace. Its by far the craziest transformation Ive had yet. Only reason I know was cause I was layin there. And hes short. He joined the ADN in 2004. Cindy Paulson is Portrayed by Vanessa Hudgens In The Film 17 Year Old Cindy Paulson is handcuffed and screaming for help. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/. Hansen was officially charged with the abduction and rape of Cindy Paulson and the murders of Joanna Messina, Sherry Morrow, Paula Goulding, and the unidentified body known as "Eklutna Annie." On February 28, 1984, Robert Hansen was sentenced to 461 years plus life in prison with no parole. CINDY: The garage was opened. Sure, no problem, Im like, fine, no problem. Hey, no problem, you know. Cindy Paulson Interview with Sgt. Once inside, Hansen pulled a gun on her and placed her in handcuffs. FLOTHE: Youre pointing at Figure Number 21. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. CINDY: It was probably about a 72, cream-colored Datsun, with a kinda station wagon in the back, the kind that you used to It was about a 72 or 73. CINDY: On the corner of Fourth and Denali. (Sound of pages turning. Later the girl stated that she had immediately known that those seven other women had been murdered, and she was very determined not to become number eight! Did he only do a few takes or did he do as many as he felt he needed? Hansens Truck & Datsun Close-up (copyright Leland E. Hale). FLOTHE: You saw a bunch of money in his wallet? Purchase Butcher, Baker, Your email address will not be published. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. You rarely see mention of them, other than the fact that they existed, and I read through multiple articles before I even spotted Mrs. Hansens first name. CINDY: Nope. What about Gimme Shelter which is completed? While there does not seem to be a singular traumatic event in Roberts childhood which we can pinpoint, it appears that hed had a really difficult time in most aspects of his life as a kid and even as an adult he just couldnt (or wouldnt) let it go. Hansen served time briefly at Lemon Creek Correctional Center in Juneau until authorities found escape plans stashed among his belongings and sent him to Seward, officials said at the time. CINDY: It was a really dark color. FLOTHE: Six in the evening? (rustling sound as Flothe shows his gun to Cindy) Did it have that or was FLOTHE: An older car. FLOTHE: And then he contacted you on Saturday. Did he give you a sense of what he wanted and then get out of the way and let you follow your instincts as an actor? "I can still see him when he got livid like that," he said. FLOTHE: Were the handcuffs tight? Ducks and birds. The Butcher Baker Minisode. CINDY: Number five. You know, I was supposed to meet him. Robert Christian Hansen (the Butcher Baker) and the Delphi Murde And I was just running. CINDY: I gave him the number at the Big Timber. With his death, the full extent of Hansen's deeds, including the true number of his victims, the location of their bodies and the identities of all the women he kidnapped, raped and sometimes hunted like wild game before murdering might never be known. What did you learn about yourself in the process of making this film? FLOTHE: What was he driving then, Sunday night? The remains of an unidentified victim of an Alaskan serial killer who hunted down his victims as if they were game have been exhumed in a bid to establish who she was. CINDY: Because when I drove past the house there was a sign that said Dead End. FLOTHE: Did you get into his car, or did he just get out or what? FLOTHE: OK. Was it a blue color? Alaska serial killer Robert Hansen, who killed as many as 21 women, died Thursday at an Anchorage hospital. When he was arrested for the sexual assaults, Robert had claimed to have been an innocent man, and she believed what hed told her; shed had her suspicions that her husband may have been a cheater who possibly enjoyed the company of an escort every once in a while, but a woman killer? She'd noticed women's clothes, toys, and dogs wandering around, according to. FLOTHE: You drove past the house? (pause) Can you tell us how that all came about? I said, fine, we can do it in the car. Darla was an exceptionally intelligent woman with a masters degree in education who made her living by tutoring school children; she was also a devout Christian who believed in God and the sanctity of marriage with all of her heart and soul. First, we hear about that meet up from Robert Hansens confession. He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. And I was supposed to meet him but I didnt show up cause I overslept. Thats not all he said, of course. CINDY: Uh huh. I mean, bills, or did he just give you the change? It was very, very eerie and really tough, but John (Cusack) was great. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. I personally loved it. FLOTHE: Did you give him the room number too? If hed just murdered those women, they couldnt have turned him in, and he wouldnt have been in trouble not committing violent crimes was never an option. As of 5:30 Saturday afternoon theres a new article available. Glenn Flothe, AST. The identity of one of his victims, who was found near Horseshoe lake north of Anchorage has never been established and now her remains are being exhumed. CINDY: Uh huh. I just wanted a chance to work with Robert Rodriguez. Im not correct on the times, OK? Hudgens: I dont like talking about anything until I sign my contract, which I havent done yet, but it will happen most likely pretty soon. CINDY: It was a big revolver gun, like a police gun. Since his release from the Iowan prison, Robert had been arrested more than once for crimes such as shoplifting, but somewhere around 71 and 72 he was arrested for having sexually assaulted both a sex worker and a housewife by the names of Patricia Roberts and Susan Heppeard. On June 13, 1983, Hansen offered 17-year-old Cindy Paulson $200 to perform oral sex; when she got into the car, he pulled out a gun and drove her to his home in Muldoon. Hansen said she had a knife in her purse. CINDY: He approached me. CINDY: Yep. Was it important for you to give the victims a voice in this film? Though he was doing so well in his new life, Roberts dark urges grew stronger by the day; he could and very often did hunt all of the Alaskan game that he liked, but each kill steadily grew less satisfying than the last. FLOTHE: This car that was in the driveway how new or old was this car? Thats what it takes for teams to bring their best selves to work every day.. They look at them in a very specific way. CINDY: Yep. Join Facebook to connect with Cindy Paulson and others you may know. CINDY: Yep. CINDY: Uh huh. The avid hunter would strip his victim naked (often in subzero temperatures) and simply set her free. The only thing which he ever seemed to truly succeed in, the one thing which others commended him for, were his exceptional hunting skills. Is this part of a deliberate strategy to develop further as an actress and put the High School 3 image behind? Daigle, the corrections official, said that as far as she knows Hansen never saw the film. FLOTHE: Did he call you first or did he just come by? And he suggested that we could go to his place. I operated behind a work persona. He doesnt mess around. FLOTHE: Did he point the gun at you at any time? Hudgens: Thats always been the goal. FLOTHE: Uh huh. I mean Robert thoroughly enjoyed hunting humans; these ladies were savagely murdered with his favorite weapons: a Ruger Mini-14 and a hunting knife. CINDY: About ten minutes. I know I have support from leadership and throughout, and thats a great feeling., As the executive sponsor of BCs employee network group for women, Cindy worked to amplify the Balance and Belonging culture and framework internally and externally across an industry with historical nature of the industry being male dominated. CINDY: Yep. The one person who really seemed to have believed Cindy and became determined to stop this killer was a state trooper by the name of Glenn Flothe. He was afraid of running into friends, relatives or acquaintances of people who knew his many victims. 10 Underrated Thrillers That Are Destined To Become Cult Classics, 10 Best Movies Trilogies Ranked From 'Spider-Man' to 'The Lord of the Rings', This Spielberg Movie Only Made a $1 Box Office Profit. CINDY: All right. So it was nice to kind of test my own mental and physical strength. FLOTHE: Did he give you change? Her name is Cindy Paulson. Over the last 30 years, Cindy has facilitated more than 100 successful workshops/work sessions, including a dozen all-day . FLOTHE: I have its kind of a picture book with different types of guns in it, OK. Would you take a look through that picture book and see if you see a gun that might be similar to the one that this man had? Glenn Flothe, AST. Its likely that it was around this time that the rapist decided that hed no longer leave behind any victims who could turn him in to the police, and that he would dispose of these women in the best way he knew how. FLOTHE: Describe this man to me. In a police interview after Paulson's escape, she told him she got the feeling other people may live in the house. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. What was it like working with Nicolas Cage and John Cusack? See if theres anyone in here that you might recognize. CINDY: (interrupting) It was an older car. FLOTHE: Do you feel that he was going to hurt you? We must step back and reflect to see new opportunities for growth. Its nice because I can watch it from an outsiders perspective and be sucked into it, which is cool. That was everywhere in the whole In the basement there was fish, there was wolf skin, there was stuffed animals everywhere. Now, from reading your report apparently you had a pretty good description of the house that you gave the police. Interesting stuff. ): And we pulled over to the side, by the side of the house, and I proceeded to give him a blowjob. CINDY: No. In the early morning of June 13th 1983, (months before the other bodies were found) Cindy Paulson appeared on the side of the road. Then he had got my other hand cuffed, I dont know how he did it, it was just frightening, cause I didnt really I fought, but not a lot, cause I knew he would do something. FLOTHE: So it had a longer barrel than She also discussed her fun cameo in Machete Kills and her upcoming films, Gimme Shelter and The Kitchen Sink. And so I gave him my telephone number And he was going To be frank, honest, I was asking him for change for a cigarette machine. I said I could meet him at ten or else at eleven. Top nutrition scientist says you should drink as many varieties as possible UK's electric car revolution stalls: Britain falling behind US and Europe in race to become an EV Charles evicting Harry and Meghan is the act of a King putting his country first: REBECCA ENGLISH reveals A royal princess at Eton? Eventually his buddys conscience got the better of him, and he confessed his crimes to the police; for his role, Robert was sentenced to three years incarceration. He takes me up the stairs to the garage, I mean, to the house. I was just I was hysterical and shocked, didnt know what to do, he was chasing after me with a gun. Be sure and look at all six. FLOTHE: On the inside of your left wrist. They told Hansen they had seized his map marked with 17 locations, spots that they believed indicated the locations of bodies. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. Its another fun, more light-hearted character that the audiences have never seen me do before. The woman, who was. Several months later, police with search warrants went through Hansen's home, finding enough evidence to eventually charge him with four murders. Glenn Flothe. FLOTHE: And about what time was that? FLOTHE: OK. Where were you at when you saw him on a Friday? FLOTHE: And did you pick an individual out that was Opening August 23rd, the film also features Dean Norris, Radha Mitchell and Curtis 50 Cent Jackson. This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. Uh, FR: Would it have been during the time when your wife and children were out of. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: What did the gun look like? Buck teeth. Vanessa Hudgens: I was a little bit shaken up that this guy who was well respected in the neighborhood and everyone knew as the family man could have done such atrocious and heinous crimes. Its way down on the bottom. Just him by himself. Brown shoes. At the motel, police found 17-year-old Cindy Paulson, still handcuffed, huddled fearfully in a room. And he had cuffed one of my hands, and I was trying to get loose and he pulled out a gun. CINDY: Uh huh. Mr Hoage said the woman was among cases of unidentified and missing people that were being reviewed by the center, with authorities receiving permission for the exhumation, the day before Hansen died. FLOTHE: Youre trying to get out? "When you kill that many women there's a good chance you may have killed some convict's girlfriend," said Bob Spinde, who was in charge of prisoner records. A woman accused Hansen of rape in 1971, even as he awaited trial in a separate incident for following a stranger to her Spenard home and trying to kidnap her at gunpoint, according to Anchorage Daily News reports at the time. FLOTHE: Make sure you look through the whole book before you decide. She had been engaging in sex work. Every time it was in my face. Roberts first kill is either believed to have occurred in 1971, 1972, or 1973. This was a secretive killer who is believed to have taken half of his murders with him to the grave. Profiling is really an incredible science, its amazing how even the littlest details about a killer can be told by their crimes. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. FLOTHE: What do you mean by a cut in the back? And um, after he had got the condom on, I kept doing it, and then he kept feeling around my neck, like he was just trippin, playing around with my neck and my necklaces. Normally, people try avoiding that. Can you talk about your fun cameo in Machete Kills and what that experience was like? Wonderful tram tour guide Cindy is starting her fourth year as a trail tram tour driver for MCRF. He had been transferred to the hospital on Wednesday. CINDY: And then after I looked I recognized him. Darla had known that shed married a dedicated hunter, so when Robert had taken time away from the family, it was easy to explain away. FLOTHE: If you can move your hand away from your face a little bit I want to make sure we get it on the tape recorder, OK? CINDY: Yeah. So you go into the garage, what happens then, when you get into the garage? RH: Yes. The FBI had been spot on about everything. CINDY (cont. Big ol like caribou and goats heads, big ones stuffed everywhere. Police soon picked the killer up for questioning, but when it came down to it, a mild mannered baker with a rap sheet was still more believable in the early eighties than a half naked, handcuffed and barefooted teenaged sex worker. After he was convicted of committing murder, Darla finally let go of her marriage; she promptly divorced her husband, then she and the kids moved back to Arkansas to be with family. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. FLOTHE: Would you draw me a diagram of the house and Ill turn the tape off just for a minute while youre doing that. FLOTHE: OK. Was it fun watching them go toe to toe? And he had called me and I slept through it. What was the most difficult scene for you to shoot and why? Your email address will not be published. Like many killers he targeted transient women, they were often exotic dancers and sex workers; after hed charmed the woman of his choice and done his best to convince her of his harmlessness, Robert would talk her into leaving with him. FLOTHE: OK. CINDY: Uh huh. Were able to have honest and trusting conversations about how to make BC, and hopefully the industry, a place We must take small steps to make a positive change in the workplace and industry and, right now, its We work to create a more inclusive space because everyone deserves to live and embrace their truths. The infamous Special Agent John Douglas took a look at the case, and he informed the trooper that his perpetrator would likely have a stutter! He intended to do the same with Cindy on June 13, 1983. It was plain. Hudgens: I thought it was pretty spot on. CINDY: Im positive. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. FLOTHE: Wasnt painted. She gave me an extremely solid foundation and told me her earliest memories that she had until where she is to this day. That seemed to be a common enough thing to do, plenty of troubled Americans had moved to Alaska to start a new life, and this worked out splendidly for Robert! CINDY: The Buick Century. CINDY: Hey, for a blowjob in the car, hell yeah. If Im unsure of something, I promise to tell you, and yall the dates in this case about drove me nuts. She was hysterical, half-clothed, and had an unbelievable story of survival to tell. Instead he would immediately force her to board his small bush plane, and hed fly her out to a desolate area near Knik River where he would sexually assault her in a little shack which hed occupied there. It left me wanting to watch it over and over again even though Im in it. CINDY: I knew I was in trouble. He invited me afterwards to go to dinner with him and a couple of his friends because he felt so bad about putting me through that. (laughs) Its a quick little cameo. Previously I would avoid the conversation about my significant other, she says. And it may not even be in there. It was during this 30 month prison stint that he was diagnosed as bipolar with schizophrenic episodes, and wife number one filed for a divorce. But it would be simple psychopaths are master manipulators and first class liars. On June 13, 1983, Cindy Paulson was kidnapped and raped, her life threatened by Robert Hansen. And it was just the usual chitchat, you know, asking, you know, got in the car and asked, how you doing and so forth and whether I was looking for a good time and so forth. Were all connected. Hudgens: That was great. FLOTHE: Which photograph is that? We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Cindy coughs.) I saw him the next day, Sunday. If youre very sensitive to that sort of thing (I know that much of my audience is ) then you may wish to skip this one. 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