James Dingwall picked that name and the girls immediately protested! I think there was some small prize involved for any student that sold them. Never heard the term. Starving kids in Africa or something. Aiden/ Aidan: Is of Celtic, which means "little fire." Alun: Alun means "harmony." Albus: This name means "white." It seemed like an honorable thing, he explained. Subscriber Service CenterAlready a subscriber? Hey! I also remember something about a bridge Yeah , small world . "Baptism . I attended St. Judes Grade School in Detroit, Michigan (1958 to 1966) and as I recall Pagan Babies were a big thing. Ive been fortunate to travel to various parts of the world and to admire (our missionaries) extraordinary love of the world and of the people with whom they live., Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, apostolic nuncio to the United States who greeted guests on behalf of Pope Benedict XVI, called the Pontifical Mission Societies instruments for cooperation in the universal mission of the Church across the world.. with any faith. I went Catholic school in NJ and yes, we had pagan babies! class voted on names. Our principal determined that Hush Puppies were insurance against black scuffmarks in halls and classrooms. I jumped at it. OK, fair enough, it was about charity for this or that African country, but it so much stank of colonialism. Each classroom was given small cardboard collection boxes . What do we do , Sister , what do we do ? I pictured the dozens of Karens I had saved growing up safely somewhere in Africa. Daley, who adopted "Michael" on February 24, 1959. For every $10.00 collected you got name the baby. , Those madcap Catholics. unless Father Terry is working a con of his own. EWTN News, Inc. is the worlds largest Catholic news organization, comprised of television, radio, Explore . We had the cardboard boxes and there was stiff competition What gyp. The church doesnt have a mission. Well I am hurt that you would think I would steal your money to Buy and Name more pagan babies. Father Terry Dunn thought he'd seen everything on the mean streets of Detroit, but that was before he went on a little retreat to Rwanda to evade a tax-fraud indictment. . When Oblate Father Andrew Small asked who remembered them at the inaugural World Mission Dinner in New York, a few hands went up, mostly belonging to people with gray hair. I think the Catholic church needed better PR people back then. Youre too late. When you get to heaven have it in your pocket . In accepting his medallion, Cardinal McCarrick summed up the missionary spirit. It is Catholic mission crowd-funding,making it easy to support those givingspiritual and material comfort to the sufferingand marginalized . We wonder where those name choices really went . They folded out . Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for Pagan Babies at Amazon.com. Yeah , a few days later . Maybe the kids of today are more savvy . And of course, she knew that no pagan baby was coming to stay at 159 Findlay Avenue, no matter what I said. Exorcist Responds to Sensationalized Russell Crowe Exorcism Film on Father Amorth, Ash Wednesday Breaks All the Rules of Modern ChurchThink, and More Great Links! Catholics practice infant baptism because we take care of our childrens basic needs and what is more important than filling them with the Holy Spirit? None of my non-Catholic friends ever believed my pagan baby stories, either. Named mine Margaret Ann. Take a look and see why Im so excited about this app and will be promoting it every chance I get. Adopt A Pagan Baby - 1959. I mentioned pagan babies and Im still not sure if they believed me. 6:34, Col. 2:1112). The bookstore is receiving pro bono legal services from ADF for the lawsuit. I went to Marymount Jr. School in the 60s too. for missions in foreign lands. The short-lived dream pop band formed by Kat Bjelland and Courtney Love in 1985 in Portland, Oregon, United States 2. Davey; Watch for these changes, Eight more pro-life activists for FACE Act violations. Youre an idiot that is exactly what happened at my grade-school as well. except the last. I could change the world. It was boy versus girl And I totally forgot about those Pagan babies and I thought no were not, then I asked her what is a pagan baby LOL Im still not quite sure either haha that was a great story. "Thats what I remember. The students would sell candy bars for a dollar each and , depending on how many each child sold , he or she would win prizes . An interactive Web site will feature video interviews with some of the former pagan babies, now nuns, priests and catechists carrying on the Lords work in their homelands. It seemed like an honorable thing, he said. - Kathy F. Pagan babies may have disappeared from collection boxes but they started showing up in our families. *One of them may have been slightly Asian, but that was pushing things in those days. Small world. I kept a large plastic Seagrams Seven bottle bank in my room at home that I put all my loose change into to save up for stuff I wanted and an occasional pagan baby. But I dont remember her name." A freshly sprung ex-con turned stand-up comic, Debbie needs some fast cash, too, to settle an old score. Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission ( CCC 1213), Scripture stresses the importance of this sacrament. In Scotland, around 1966 or so, there was something similar in primary school (which one attends from age approx 5 to approx 12, and this school was not R.C. Back in the 1950s and early-1960s, and Pagan babies, we all understood in the 50s, were babies born to parents who did not believe in a monotheistic (1 god) religion, because they had not yet received any instruction. But Im a bit cynical . And then the certificate was put up above the chalkboard. But I remember that we did get certificates sent to us from the Society for the Propagation of the Faith with the babys name. Lajoie is on the staff of Catholic New York, newspaper of the Archdiocese of New York. if you can open your heart and you want to do something to help, PLEASE donate here to the Gonzalez Family . Do Black Patent Leather Shoes Really Reflect Up? Hopefully its from the old days. Marymount ? SubscribeStart your Register subscription today. Its a great way to perform works of mercy or give alms during Lent or find a family charity. Except in the case of fourth grade, 1964, just after the Beatles hit America on Sullivan. I remember my Grandparents joking about it in the '70s. My grandmother gave me $5 to buy my JMJwow, totally forgot about that. But Father Small, national director of the Pontifical Mission Societies in the United States, wasnt apologizing for the old adoption program in which children in Catholic schools would save their pennies. Glad to have confirmed this for you , John . Then I could choose the bike I wanted . every cent counts and just know the things we take for granted and have, these amazing . Those memories come from a ways back . Do Black Patent Leather Shoes Really Reflect Up? The Pagan Babies (the band from Hawaii) Jason Woycke 9 subscribers Subscribe 62 Share 2.2K views 5 years ago A compilation of live footage of the Pagan Babies (the band from Hawaii). At times, it seemed like the nuns in the Catholic School I was attending, would really pressure the students to contribute to the pagan babies. (There were a lot of Christines then for some reason it was the favorite name of a lot of the girls). Thanks for checking out my blog about my fathers WWII service on the PT boats. Charlie had a question for the missionary nuns , too . Ours always seemed to be colored brown . (CCC 1213). I would hope that the Catholic schools are more sophisticated too . Imagine what they would cost now." Patti and her husband, Mark, live in North Dakota where they raised their 10 children. More and more babies are not getting baptized or raised in the faith. Sign up for 6 Free IssuesTry us out with a free trial subscription. Each was presented with a medallion featuring a representation of the papal keys. Save that document. talking about!" 1:16). Pagan Babies is classic crime fiction from the master of suspense, New York Times bestselling author Elmore Leonard. At least it didnt include the genocide of the indigenous population as it did here in CA when the Spaniard priests took on the mission of converting the Indians. Sometimes, I was that girl. Has anyone else heard this phrase before, and if so, do you remember what it . I remember this in Chicago St. John Fisher. Hearts of Gold, A Gilded Age Historical Romance Series. Students gave their allowances to save - Vera Marie C. we got prizes if we gave X amount, but I never got a prize. Reblogged this on itkindofgotawayfromyou. For a boy we were expected to choose a name like Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. I remember doing the rice bowl thing during Lent, but I dont remember it being for the pagan babies. But Cary was caught . I liked your PT post . This made my day. Gina and her husband raised their two children in New Jersey and now live in Manhattan. When our family moved to another part of Dearborn, we transferred to St Alphonsus parish, and I traded the blue jumper for a plaid one, and the beanie for Hush Puppy shoes. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. I actually went to St Charles, but attended Corpus Cristi mass once in awhile. Saving Pagan Babies occurred during a simpler Ive been fortunate to travel to various parts of the world and to admire (our missionaries) extraordinary love of the world and of the people with whom they live, the cardinal added. My Jewish neighbors always bought a packet of the Childhood Catholic Christmas seals. Then I developed dysentery, and the very people I was there to save were taking care of me. I went to Christ the King in Pleasant Hill, CA. How many people who raised their hands the first time were still in contact with their pagan babies? Congratulations for moving on and helping children in other countries. Renee- -tell the proofreader to correct the spelling of the coin nickel in the second sentence of your article on Pagen babies. I was JUST telling my son about Pagan Babies when I was a little girl! maybe NCIS or 60 minutes should get on the case? Pagan Babies: and Other Catholic Memories. The principal was standing nearby wondering if he should intervene . I had a lot of Pagan Babies named Mary Margaret!! That summer in Guaymas, I learned that people in poverty needed more than goodwill, and that social justice was not a simple matter of collecting spare change and sending it off to the right folks. Saint Martins actoss the street from you back then. Please log in to comment by clicking here, Fordhams Greenhagen Finalist for National Scholar-Athlete Award. Bingo, and thanks. Christians have always believed that baptism is the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. And most students did sacrifice that 5-cent candy money for the cause of bringing the word of god to the uneducated families somewhere in the world that the missionaries, usually Maryknolls stil active in missionary work today were working to convert the pagans usually Africa, in my day (probably deepest, darkest Africa). Sometimes disabilities don't fall along "guidelines" and some people just need a little extra help. There were just people who needed another shoulder on their plow. Wowi do remember that now that you mention it. Yes , of course , a money-raising strategy that tricked all of us kids I wonder now about our parents . This is hilarious, love this! "Wasn't there a bridge we had to get them over. NEW YORK They were called pagan babies, an appellation that would never be used today. I think it went to the missionaries (the seminary for The Society of the Divine Word was just two miles or so away, and we were taught by the Missionary Sisters of the Holy Ghost). We also collected money in Sunday School for the missions, but we still didnt get to name anyone. Steve, Thanks for the kind comment . We all nodded and agreed. Theology should be at the heart of any Catholic university. A friend of mine, from back in the 80s, played guitar in a band with that name (weird thing about that is, hes Jewish). In most classrooms to encourage donations, the nuns pitted the boys against the girls. What did we kids know ! collection boxes given to each child. on a regular basis. Those who would like to know what became of their pagan babies will soon get a chance to find out when Pontifical Mission Societies formally launches its Great Works Campaign in the coming months. J. OBrien. A recent Pew Research Center study revealed that much of Christianity is significantly. Long time ago . Bury it beneath your front step or porch during a full moon. My imagination was also captured by the missionaries who came to speak to us at least once a year. and if we sell ten of them , Charlie continued unperturbed , we get a pencil case ., And if we sell twenty , we get something else that none of us really wants . I hope my Pagan Baby, Elizabeth Cecilia, is alive and well. Of course, the prizes helped. It cost $5.00. I remember the little cardboard boxes and wanting to saving the poor pagan babies. ETA: and then theres this blog from someone who is completely unapologetic about their participation in the program: http://asksistermarymartha.blogspot.com/2006/08/announcing-pagan-baby-reunion.html. Great sounding rare live tape here by Philadelphia's own PAGAN BABIES from mid 1988. Every time we got 5.00 together, we got to buy and name a pagan baby. Im late to this party, but want to add my two cents. I also attended CCS and talk about the pagan babies all the time and the Lenten booklets where you saved dimes. The pagan baby he purchased was named Daniel James and his $5 gave him a Certificate of Adoption as a Souvenir of the Ransom and Baptism of an Adopted Pagan baby named Daniel James. "Wow, that certainly brings back memories. Just saw this very entertaining thread. Years later Larry Bye , another boy in the class , told me that his middle name was Herman and that he had been embarrassed when Cary chose the name Herman for the pagan baby. Always when he asked his question , no matter what the occasion , he seemed to be right smack dab in the middle of the group . We believed that somewhere in the world would be a pagan with a stupid name chosen by the silly students of Corpus Christi Catholic School . After all, it makes sense. A bulletin board held the certificates, pinned to the wall. You are no doubt a stronger person for it . When Oblate Father Andrew Small asked who remembered them at the inaugural World Mission Dinner in New York, a few hands went up, mostly belonging to people with gray hair. We were expected to sell subscriptions to our local Archdiocese newspaper when I went to elementary school. Fierce competition existed between some of the nuns as to whose class had the most pagan babies. Premium Powerups . It barely rings a bell hearing something about pagan babies. Thanks for the comment. Seems like the boxes looked like animal crackers boxes . In college, I was given the opportunity to work for a month at a Franciscan mission in Mexico. As I write this I still feel the hurt and frustration 50 years later. pagan babies When I attended Corpus Christi Catholic School in the 1950s and 1960s there was a program we all called Pagan Babies . Servant of God Mother Mary Lange and the Rich History of Black Catholic Religious Orders, Ukrainian Soldier Saved by Praying the Rosary, Priest Recounts, As We Forgive: Lenten Pastoral Note From Archbishop Samuel Aquila of Denver, A Lasting Trail of Light: The Witness of Pedro Ballester. Here is Sister Mary Michael Archangel giving medicine to the pagans . I think we were the hope, somehow, for all the people who were seeing us and a hope for the country, recalls Bishop Christian Carlassare of the nine-day pilgrimage to meet Pope Francis. Catholic Connection (right after the news). I seriously want to start a band now, just so I can name us that. Sports. You know the drill . We didnt know any better (though Church elders should have, but thats another story, isnt it?). In fourth grade I was finally old enough to see the movies they showedwith shots of real lepers and starving children. As an incentive for our fundraising, when we raised $5 we were allowed to give a Christian name to a pagan baby. Please email comments to [emailprotected] and join the conversation on our Facebook page. When the late Sixties allowed for individuality in footwear, many a girl in funky, high-heeled shoes, broke the silence clunking through classrooms and down church aisles. - Bill R. I won the [ now I really dont remember which of the above things I won ] but a classmate wanted to exchange her prize , the other thing , for mine . "I remember Pagan Babies!" Lets never forget that one day we will account for how we helped others. My friend Sue, a Lutheran by way of Methodism cant get head around buying pagan babies. It seems hard to believe, but according to the National Went to Holy Name Grade School and when my friend was writing a book including some Catholic characters ( she is not Catholic), my fellow Holy Name and I gave her the pagan baby story to include, complete with only the rich kids got to name the baby since the rest of us did not have the means to save $5. What readers of her book talked about the most was either Is there really such a thing a pagan babies thats hilarious or Oh yes, I remember saving up during Lent to get to name a pagan baby. Thanks for the memories. Without her mothers knowledge ! A recent Pew Research Center study revealed that much of Christianity is significantly losing members. The money collected in the United States went to help feed, clothe and educate them. You didnt buy one with the $5.00. Pagan Babies is classic crime fiction from the master of suspense, Ne. Elementary Ransom and Baptism? More than one-third of millennials now say they are unaffiliated with any faith. Drawing its title from Hinckle's parochial education in San Francisco's Sunset District, "Ransoming Pagan Babies: The Selected Writings of Warren Hinckle" released by Berkeley nonprofit. A Philadelphia punk band formed in 1986. now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. PJ. We did that too. BUY THIS BOOK Pagan Babies Elmore Leonard. My romantic notions of missionary work got a dose of reality that summer. And then I asked some of my school friends on Facebook if they remembered and none did. Yeah . I also remember a certain boy who came from a wealthier family who could buy his own pagan baby. No one was, in fact, adopted or bought. Im sure that Beverley Anne is fine and doing well . Kind of a weird experience when we look back on it , eh ? Boys usually purchased boys, and girls purchased girls. Considering your background , I am honored that you thought my silly little post on pagan babies was worth reading . Some conspiracy mongers doubted the existence of the pagan babies, even suggesting that the sisters were raiding the schoolchildrens piggybanks to fill their own coffers or the Churchs. Their adopted Pagan Babies were then given the Sacrament of Baptism. "I named my Pagan Baby Patrick. All of this went out the window in my belief system a few years later, when i began to understand political realities, had a more sophisticated notion of the universe and got very tired of having philosophical questions answered by Its a mystery. My favorite question was: If God can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it? adoption pledge. And yesyou know who you are. Or maybe Pagan Babies: and Other Catholic Memories. His parents cant now change the little pagans name , right ? Someone must have decided it was no longer a good way to raise money for Catholic missions. Ah , yeah . Reading this article and all of the comments has brought tears to my eyes Im laughing so hard. If they're actually disabled, they can file the application with the city to get a handicap spot installed. Maybe they had sales during the year at times. With respect to children who have died without Baptism, the liturgy of the Church invites us to trust in Gods mercy and to pray for their salvation. (CCC 1283). I think most of them were in Africa and India. Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, apostolic nuncio to the United States who greeted guests on behalf of Pope Benedict XVI, called the Pontifical Mission Societies instruments for cooperation in the universal mission of the church across the world.. If memory serves, it shows a black child being led by a (white) boy and girl towards a (white) Jesus, while two (white*) nuns look on approvingly. The mission has a Church, Cardinal Dolan reminded his guests in his opening remarks. Also , as you point out , the certificates ( I dont remember any certificates , though ) and the little cardboard box and all the hoop-la was good motivation and made the week more interesting for us kids . And of course, there was competition between the classrooms. I suspect that Patricia never named them after you , David . At every Catholic school in those days were Labeling any baby pagan, much less sweeping into this category all foreign children of color, makes me look back with embarrassment. But in 1969 the names we fourth graders favored were names like Ringo and Twiggy. I assume that all of the other Catholic schools in the archdiocese were doing the same thing . Sign-up for E-NewsletterGet Register Updates sent daily or weeklyto your inbox. By letting civility happen, we take better care not only of others and of the world itself, but of ourselves. - Sal S. Some became doctors and lawyers and schoolteachers and others became lay catechists, sisters and priests, operating clinics and schools, colleges and seminaries, Father Small explained, and let me tell you something they need your help today as much as they needed it 30 and 40 years ago. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ (Gal 3:27). Pretty danged patronizing, offensive concept it was, too. Some we're pretty outrageous!" We can smile at it now at perhaps how silly it was, Father Small said. They spoke in thick Irish brogues . So it had to be pretty official, like our nun just couldnt pull a certificate out of her drawer and fill in the name.no, I think that it had to be signed by the big Catholic mucky-mucks. I believe it helped me get through this crazy life :-)) My mother was horrified. is the gateway to life in the Spirit, and the door which gives access to the other Any questions ? Catholic Church. And yet the fundamental mission of the Holy Childhood Associationits efforts to create in children of privilege some sense that they are responsible for and obligated to help other children in needwas not lost on me. maybe he rode to work on a bike . Thanks for the comment . I thought they would all come in a box and be distributed at the end of the school year. Im thinking that was awful high up for our Sister, so maybe the janitor had to do it for us. I still suspect the money collected ( probably in actuality just chicken-feed ? ) 0 coins. The rice they used was really good which I think defeated the purpose since a lot of kids looked forward to it, myself included. Im assuming youre a good Catholic father and have a tons of kids. I named all my pagan babies after my cousin Karen, who had died at age 2. Anyway , we never got pictures of our pagan babies . I am not the age youre looking for, though, because I am > 50. The principal stepped forward , to the rescue , saying coldly , Its a fundraiser for the school . He didnt mention his new stereo system . MISSION CALLArchbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, apostolic nuncio to the United States, right, was among the notable guests at the first World Mission Dinner. - Mary Ellen M. I spent all my paper boy money." Another thing at every Catholic school in those days were collections to save pagan babiesunbaptized children not taught about God. We gave our allowances to save those babies. That $5.00 bought you naming rights. If I had to walk down an aisle or through a classroom on my own, I tried to muffle the noise by slowing my step. On the other hand, the central charitable action of my generationsaving and naming pagan babieswas clearly a fiction (I mourn those African Karens), one that reinforced my American sense of exceptionalism and arrogance. The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. I have my doubts that any of ours got past downtown L.A. A Timeline. Now they're in together for a bigger payoff than either could finagle alone. She prayed, and she prayed, and she prayed with her rosary novena for my vocation. It didnt glow , but she was in a sort of a case shaped like a bullet with two doors that could close her in . Im not sure at this point for whom we were collecting I supposed it could have been UNICEF, or perhaps a Catholic charity. Five bucks sure went far in 1958! No longer just an auxiliary fundraiserthis was my chance to be part of the action! The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. When they reached $5, they then ransomed a child overseas, got a certificate and the right to name the child being looked after by missionary sisters, brothers and priests abroad. At the end of the semester, the class that had accumulated the most donations was awarded a prize. Blessing By Iron. Great mix of early US HC punk & the then emerging "Youth Crew" sound. When they reached $5, they then ransomed a child overseas, got a certificate and the right to name the child. But I assured her that my Karen went straight to heavenMonsignor had said so and celebrated a Mass of the angels in white vestments rather than the usual funeral Mass in her honor. Yesit must have been everywhere even Deer Lodge, Montana where I went to Catholic School. There must be a lot of pagan Davids running around out there, bought with purloined funds. Someone nees to buy Charlie a shiny bike. We all knew what a pagan baby was a baby that was not baptized a Catholic, and not one in the US babies from Asia in particular. Thanks for the interest. The book may rally his followers, but it wont add to their number. The publics had no idea what we were talking about. And the fact that you great people, so distinguished, so esteemed, would be here this evening to rally around this sacred responsibility of missions, what a source of inspiration and joy.. I still find myself wishing THOSE people had relatively lackluster and unsuccessful lives. The assembly was buzzing . print and digital media outlets, dedicated to reporting the truth in light of the Gospel and the They felt the tuition they were paying was plenty. With names like Annan, Bryce, and Kegan for boys and Ashling, Darra, and Kelsey for girls, beautiful names that are based on a pagan or Wiccan origin may be perfect for your child. 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